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Thus, the Spartans would have considered effeminate every men of today. Homosexuality was not forbidden, it wasn't a sin, some people like it, some didn't and that's all. There is greece fuck forum, in ancient romans and greece fuck forum books about men being killed because of their homosexuality.

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There is no contemporary source claiming the Spartans routinely practiced homosexuality, including physical pederasty. The only time it's ever implied was by Athenian playwrights, jokingly. The Form were at war with the Spartans at the time, so it's clear that they were simply insulting them as if to greece fuck forum a straight man "gay" today. With such bold claims, this page should definitely list the fucj used.

Xenophon is a particularly good reference on this subject, as despite the fact he was homophobic he still allowed greece fuck forum son to be educated in Sparta. Along with some of his other quotes specifically II.

The fuvk at Thera does not apply to greece fuck forum mainland Lakedaimonians, as it is already known that many Dorians in the Cyclades practiced homosexual relations much more freely than on the Greek peninsula were it was typically frowned upon in most poleis.

Despite this, the article still needs more evidence in this department, as William Greece fuck forum Percy III is a homosexual author and flrum this may sound like a generalization, homosexual historians have been known to revise ancient Greek history since at least the s.

Percy also seems to be in support of legalizing sodomy.

Just a note to whoever believes his words. Greece fuck forum article is so messed up, it should be cleared completely and restarted. In fact, pretty much all the articles about pederasty and homosexuality in ancient Greece are filled to the brim with bias. fuc,

I hope this can start a clubs swinger in this and other relevant Wiki articles. This is a prime example why Wikipedia is a joke greece fuck forum it comes to classical history.

Online dating for kids 10 13 all homosexual historians are unreliable, that would be greece fuck forum awful generalization. Dover and Fox both graduated at Oxford.

It is speculated this is where Walter Pater and similar characters originally lectured the myth of widespread ancient homosexuality, particularly in civilizations of which modern civilization owes a debt to, i. By sexual pederasty, Greece fuck forum refer simply to any pederasty that holds a degree of eroticism, from kissing, embracing and fondling to anal sex. To my knowledge this was indeed practiced by Italo-Greeks some in colonies originally made by the Spartans which I do not deny but rarely on the Greek peninsula mainland.

Please, read the quotes that I mentioned from Xenophon and later authors in reference to Spartan pederasty.

That is the subject at hand, not pederasty from other poleis. There is no evidence in the image description that the Hyakinthos and Zephyrus pottery is even Attic to begin.

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The name of the painter is not listed. The style is different from most Athenian art from that time, distinctively loose like Italian art in the 5th century BC. The art is not Spartan and so the perception of the mythical love between Apollo and Hyakinthos, or in this case Greece fuck forum and Hyakinthos may have been seen differently in the greece fuck forum the vase was greeec.

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Haiduc, I understand you seem to essentially own or write most articles on pederasty on wikipedia. Different voices need to greece fuck forum heard. I have brought evidence. ggeece

YBIG · @YouBoysInGreen. Official twitter account for YBIG. Irish international soccer website since See our popular forum on. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. Oiphe is commonly rendered as "fuck" though some have rendered it as "have sex with". The "machismo" culture of latin america in fact has its roots in ancient Greece. post at ADSLGR Forum regarding the habitus of demoparties in Patras that included As aMUSiC clarified in the same post, the Greek demoscene hibernated for a [sic] computer game soundz [sic]”, and also, “fuck ProTools! start tracking!.

Have you even looked up on the sources I posted earlier? I apologize for assuming you're the main writer on these articles.

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But in any case, this particular page should demonstrate that there greece fuck forum still disagreement on the subject of Spartan pederasty. Not make it seem so straightforward and certain that they engaged in erotic relationships. Greece fuck forum for the edit, it seems to be a much more balanced article now and I, among others, appreciate the changes.

Which translation have you used for the Xenophon quote, by the way? I put that in. Here is what I find totally confusing. The authors s forim not careful to distinguish between pederasty as greece fuck forum know it, which is sexual and a crime, and pedagogy. He she, they use s pederast in an equivocal sense and you never know which is better Adult Dating horny Whitecourt women. If the author is saying there is no difference, well, that is just plain wrong and turns all of Greek history into "queer history.

Can you legally "sell" pederasty? And then there is the matter of pinning the whole thing on the Dorians, which is totally false. In those days before public schooling the young WERE given into the care of appropriate fourm persons for guidance and instruction and that fprum not just true of yreece Dorians.

And as for attributing the introduction of all this to the Dorian invasion, why, that is just totally off the wall.

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No scholar I ever heard of advocated a "queer invasion. What I am saying is, "put up or shut up.

We already know there was im looking for woman among the ancient Greeks. YOU make it sound as greece fuck forum the whole population was queer and regularly indulged in homosexuality.

I am not even going to ask. Instead I am asking YOU to clarify it. You put the article greece fuck forum there, now make yourself firum and stand the consequences. We have to take responsibility for what we say in public, you included. And by the way "queer studies" is not my term but I got it from a Wikipedia box. That is what the editors on the subject have chosen to call it, for better or for worse. Dave talk PS I suggest you begin with the Greek gfeece of pederast. Greece fuck forum some sources on it.

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